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Offline agbkyle

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Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« on: March 26, 2009, 11:04:21 PM »
Hi, I'm new here. Great forum!
Thought I'd share my story.
Started to have ankle pain last April 2008. Felt like it was sprained all the time.
Had xray and the xray showed Osteochondritis Dissecans.
Went to Ortho, had MRI, Cat Scan and Bone scan.
Confirmed the lesion.
Ortho said "I can try the scope but may have to break your ankle to get in there".
So I did the scope last Sept. 2008
2 months after scope, still had severe aching pain.
I suggested to them maybe PT would help so did a month of PT.
3 months after scope, still had pain.
Next, a cortisone shot as a last ditch effort to rid the pain.
My ankle laughed at the cortisone shot, if anything it got worse.
FINALLY in Jan. 2009 I suggested another MRI.
Like how I have to suggest and ask for everything?
That's the way it is sometimes.
Lo and behold after all I'd been thru, the lesion was stil there and had actually slightly increased in size.
To think I did a month of PT with a lesion (sighs).
Nothing against doc since he didn't guarantee it would be fixed "I can TRY the scope".
Well, after 5 months with this Ortho, I was sent to another in the big city.
I at least now have all the MRI's and cat scans myself and am better informed of the lesion. The first Ortho was always hurried and I never got to discuss it. Most of what I learned, I researched myself.
This is the gist of mine from the most recent MRI:
"Osteochondral lesion involving the medial aspect of the talar dome. It is characterized by approx. 8 mm wide bony defect containing approx. 5 mm long probable bony fragment surrounded by a thin rim of T2 hyperintensity. This is consistant with an in situ fragment. The overlying cartilage is thinned. Deeper within the talus adjacent to the osteochondral defect are regions of moderate bone marrow edema and scattered cystic change.
Compared to an MRI I had in June it has slightly increased in size."
Went to new Ortho in Feb. for first visit and they spent a good hour with me going over my films.
He graded my lesion as a grade V
From my own research, I knew what the next plan of attack would be and I was right:
Open Reduction Allograft
This is where they get a donor ankle from a cadaver (could be up to a 6 month wait for one too), open your ankle, osteomoty of the lower leg bone  (cut it off after pre drilling holes to screw it back on after) to access it, then cut out the lesion and fill it with piece from donor ankle. Does not sound like fun.
My second visit 2 weeks ago, I thought we would discuss the allograft but now he says he wants to do another scope himself to get a first hand look at it. Doesn't want to just get the report/photos from previous Ortho I had. Scope is happening in another week from now.
OH NO...I'm dreading this. I just has the scope last Sept. and for me it was excruciating pain (so bad after a week I thought it was infected)..throbbing.
So after being in pain a total of 11 months now, and the pain has been much worse since the first scope, I have to look forward to even more pain? I don't know how I'm going to handle MORE pain.
I could see if this was to fix it, but it's not, it's only diagnostic. The plan is still the allograft down the road.
BTW - I'm male, 48 yrs old, and fortunatly I work remote at a computer so I can still work.
I wouldn't be able to work a physical job as I'd surely be disabled from this cursed ankle.
Every morning I can barely walk for the first hour. Can't run, can't jump, can't be on my feet for more than an hour without increased pain.
I feel for all of us that have this OCD. Wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Well that's all for now.
Good luck to all of you that have this as well.


 


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Re: Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2009, 12:16:21 PM »
Hello and welcome to the community! I'm sorry about your ankle.. i feel your pain. I had mostly the same experiences with doctors and surgery as you did.  First doctor I saw was always hurried as well and didn't explain the situation as clearly as I would have liked. I had to find out on my own by doing research. That's what this forum is for.. because doctors don't explain things thoroughly enough!

Second thing I had in common was that the cortisone, the PT, and the surgeries all didn't help. PT didn't help at all and surgery actually made my ankle worse. (i had MF) May I ask what "big city" you're in now?

As for your upcoming scope... sorry to hear, again. Hope it doesn't hurt as bad this time around. On the bright side, it always pays to have the surgeon get more information before attempting a serious surgery, which donor allograft sounds like...

Let us know how it goes and keep us updated! we'll be here to support you.

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Re: Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2009, 02:02:23 PM »
Thanks for the response airjaw.
I'm in southeast mass. so the "big city" is Boston.
The first ortho I saw was more into knee replacements which is why after attempting the scope and it failed he no longer wanted to mess around with it. He referred me to the doc in Boston.
The guy I'm seeing now in Boston is a Foot and Ankle specialist (member of The American Orthopaedic Foot & Ankle Society) so definitly feel I'm in better hands now.
Also agree on him getting a firsthand look via the scope prior to allograft.
Will keep you updated. Scope is on April 6th.
Thanks

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Re: Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2009, 03:30:21 PM »
I'm actually from the Boston area. Spent past couple years in DC area, and now I'm in the NYC area.
I don't know of any surgeons in Boston but the most well-known ankle specialists I know of here are :

Dr Kennedy, HOSS (Hospital of Special Surgery), NYC
Dr Mark Myers, Foot and ankle Clinic at Mercy, Baltimore MD

Depending on how much you trust your doctor, you may want to go with one of the better-known names.
In any case, goodluck.

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Re: Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2009, 03:31:15 PM »
(Moving this thread to Personal OCD Discussion section)

Offline agbkyle

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Re: Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2009, 05:40:24 PM »
Had my second scope in 7 months done this morning, Apr. 6, 2009. First was done in Sept. 2008.
He was able to pull out 2 loose bony fragments this morning.
Funny how Dr's do differ in ways/post op instrucs such as the first scope I only had an ace bandage and able to weight bear with an aircast after a few days.
With this one I'm in a splint and NWB until first follow up at 2 weeks.
I believed this one was diagnostic only and attempt to remove the bony fragments that were sitting in the crater.
Don't know why they weren't removed on first scope or did the first scope cause the bony fragments?
Who knows.
I'm glad with this doc though in that he gave me 3 pages of the scope photos.
Would be nice if we could post some photos on this forum.
I'd be happy to share some.
Will keep you all updated on my progress.

Update: April 7th, 2009 - The doctor called me and spoke to me personally about the procedure. As you all know, as far as doctors go, that in itself is a rarity. Said he removed a large piece of bone and that should cut down on my pain.
Follow up next thursday and said we'll just take it from there.
I really thought after having excruciating pain for at least a week after the first scope that this one would be even worse. I was wrong. I have been able to keep the pain well under control and am very pleased with that. Don't know if it's because this time I'm in a splint NWB or not but what a difference.
I like this guy!
Thanks


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Re: Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 01:20:53 PM »
how is everything going agbkyle? It's been two months since april 7, just wondering how your progress is.

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Re: Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2009, 10:39:11 AM »
Hi, it has been a while. 5 months since surgery and I still have lateral aching pain.
The morning stiffness I had is pretty much gone but that's about all that has improved.
Really bothers me that I've had lateral pain since day one well over a year ago but the lesion is medial talar dome.
I always wondered if I had other issues other than the lesion. I again mentioned back in May that my pain was lateral under the ankle bone so they did an MRI back then laterally. Came back as Peroneal Tendonosis which I thought finally explained the pain but the next visit the Dr. says that doesn't cause pain. OK so rotting away of ones tendons don't cause pain. Ok, whatever. Who am I? I'm not a Dr., just the one who's been in pain for over a year now.
Had my first follow up with X-ray yesterday on the lesion. He said it looks like it healing well and just cut me loose.
How do you get a fair assesment of a lesion from a plain x-ray?
We that have researched this long enough know that your lucky to even get a view of the lesion from a plain x-ray and most OCD's go undiagnosed because of plain x-rays so really surprised I didn't get an MRI to really see how it looks now.
So I feel like I'm back to square one again.
If I can't get a big city foot and ankle specialist to even care that I'm still in pain then what kind of hope is there for me now? I'm so frustrated and don't know what to even do now.
Thanks for listening.

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Re: Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 12:51:51 PM »
I'd also be very interested to know from others if your pain is localized to the site of the lesion. This is what has always baffled me about mine.
Thanks

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Re: Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2011, 06:19:28 PM »
Hey Kyle, how's the ankle doing?


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Re: Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2011, 03:54:15 PM »
Hi,
I'm new here but have been suffering with a talar dome lesion since a snowboarding fall in January.  I was a marathon runner and x-country skier and was very active.  I had a microfacture procedure in June and a large piece of cartilage was removed from the medial talar dome.  I am doing worse since then and have pain with walking and in any shoes.  Bare feet on very soft carpet is best.  I am trying to keep fit with some swimming and mountain biking but those are also painful.  I feel I need to do something and will try another surgery.  I live in Canada but will pay privately to go to the US for surgery if I find a really good surgeon. 

Does anyone have any recommendations for a good surgeon in Western USA? 
I want someone who has had a lot of success with this. 

Reading this site is sobering but helpful.  I feel a bit less alone in this.

Thank you for any advice.  You can email me drs names if you don't want to post them.

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Re: Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2011, 07:04:39 PM »
Hi LDDshu,
I am sorry to hear about your ankle. I have been through about the same thing. I can't help with doctors' names but, I had a newer surgery that has really helped. It is  a graft called Denovo by Zimmer. It has been a lifesaver. I am walking again for the first time in almost a year and I have no pain. I would recommend it. I posted all about it my thread on this site. You can message me if you have questions.

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Re: Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2012, 11:09:14 AM »
Hi, it has been quite a while so I figured I'd provide an update.
I had been on a waiting list for fresh cadaver for over a year.
I finally had the allograft done on 12/21/11 with malleus osteotomy.
I spent 2 months non weight bearing. First 2 weeks in a splint. Next 2 weeks
in hard cast. Now in removable boot. Started PT at 4 weeks just for passive
ROM. Now at 2 months and starting 15 percent weight bearing for the next
month and 6 more weeks of PT. Still having awful aching pain so only time will tell.
I know it's still early in my recovery. Will keep you all updated.
I've never heard from anyone else who has had the allograft.
By the time I first heard of Denovo I had got the call to have the allograft.
Almost wishing I'd had the chance to explore the Denovo.
Has anyone here had the allograft?
Thanks

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Re: Ankle OCD Lesion medial talus
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2019, 07:28:04 PM »
I am in Boston area. Which Dr. did you use, and were you satisfied?

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