Author Topic: My story: 3 surgeries in 3 years, BMAC, DeNovo, Microfracture.  (Read 6306 times)

Offline emilytri

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Hi everyone,

I'm writing this update in the hopes that what I've learned over the years can help all of you out there, and have more successful outcomes than I have had. I’ve had 3 different surgeries in 3 years, consulted over 10+ surgeons around the country (WA, CA, IL), and feel like I’ve read nearly every scientific paper on treating an ankle OCD to try and find a solution. Sometimes, you're just a little bit unlucky.

Summary:
There are many methods to try to fix an OCD on the talus and it’s even more daunting to make a decision when a solution to your health is more of an art than a science. Surgeons will have very different opinions based on their training and experience, it is up to you to decide what you feel is right and choose something where you would be comfortable with the outcome- good or bad. What is right for you depends heavily on the level activity you wish to return, how much risk/unknown you can tolerate, and the size of your lesion. If you aim to walk pain free again and have a relatively small lesion, there are many methods that have high success rates. If you are like me, a high activity level athlete (competitive triathlon, skiing, running, soccer, cycling), with a larger lesion in a “complex” part of the talus (the corner), your chances are lower that you will return to these level of activities. That’s not to say it’s impossible, it’s certainly been done. For me, I think my fight is over for now. Over 6 months on crutches from 3 surgeries over 3 years, as a healthy, active, 25 y/o woman, I’m ready to be done. I’ve decided that I can’t spend my 20s in a cycle of recovery and surgery anymore in the hopes that maybe one day I’ll be able to race, or kick a soccer ball around again. I have no words to describe the feeling that I’m sure many of you have, of the immense heartbreak that comes with losing something you love. Selling my skis, my TT bike, and putting away the soccer cleats is a reality for me now. Until science comes up with a better “cure”, I’m adjusting to a low impact lifestyle, and will try to find joy in flip turns at the pool and walking with less pain. I am hopeful that scientific advancements will find a solution for all of us one day, and I am confident that for everyone out there battling this injury, that with the combination of a good surgeon, and the right procedure, and maybe some adjustments in life- we will all find peace and resolve in one way or another. For those of you who have been able to return to 100% activity, kudos- I did not get so lucky, but maybe one day I will.

Background:
2012: I had a particularly bad ankle sprain playing soccer.

2013: I underwent a microfracture surgery for the lesion. Recovery went well until returning to running and activity 8-12 months post op. In the middle of a run, my ankle lit on fire with sharp pain. The microfracture had failed.

2014: After extensive research and surgeon hunting, I decided that a DeNovo transplant would be my best option to restore hyaline cartilage and return to running, racing, and skiing. I proceeded with a DeNovo in October 2014 with standard recovery, 6-8 weeks NWB, then walking. I refrained from any impact activities, only swimming and biking. About 6 months post op, I was walking to my car and fell on uneven surface, spraining my ankle. An MRI the week following suggested complete damage of the DeNovo graft.

2015: I underwent a diagnostic arthroscopy exactly 1 year after my DeNovo surgery, with the same surgeon. This confirmed the previous MRI, the DeNovo graft was completely damaged. My surgeon then performed a BMAC, taking marrow from my pelvis and injecting it into the damaged site. The plan is to wait 6 months, then re-evaluate pain levels and treatment options.

My thoughts on procedures:
Microfracture: Great for smaller lesions. High success rates (80%+) for walking without pain and light activity. Lower success rates for high impact activity lifestyles. Worth a first try, unless you plan on extensively running in the near future.

DeNovo: A good solution, with more data showing promising results as time goes on but still immature in the results with only short term data available. Can be hard for insurance to process, but I had promising results before my injury. Shocking that none of the graft had taken even after the fall 6 months out. It is a very fragile method. Even though mine failed, it was due to my own misfortune, and I am still hopeful that this could be a viable option.
From one surgeon I’ve consulted: “I'm not a fan of denovo.  It does have some good early term results in the literature, but such studies are often heavily industry biased and also biased by short follow up and lack of control groups.  THe problem with many/all of the cellular based technologies is that we're good at getting the right kind of cells to a defect (de-novo is essentially ground up immature cartilage cells embedded in a matrix) but we can't get the 'architecture'.  It is akin to getting a lot of sopranos and tenors to the opera, but there's no conductor.  My experience with all things cell based so far (microfracture, autologous chondrocyte implants, BMPs, BMAC, etc) is that we get cartilage LIKE tissue into a defect but not cartilage.  My bias has always been toward autograft or allograft osteoarticular transplants (OATS)--this gets you not only the cells, but the architecture and in my experience is the most successful, especially in high level athletes”

BMAC: This was an intermediary step to do something and try something different that would have a quicker and less painful recovery time than another DeNovo for me. I don’t recommend BMAC as the first choice of treatment, more of an augmentation or supplement to another. There is far less data on the viability and success of these stem cells at this point in time. As one surgeon commented to me “at the end of the day, you're still relying on some sort of cellular 'hocus pocus' to occur, and there has never been any evidence that one ends up with normal cartilage cells in their normal cartilage architecture.”

OATS: This is the one procedure I have not had, but has been recommended to me several times. I don’t know much about it, other than it is highly invasive, involves cutting open the ankle / breaking bone, but from several very experienced surgeons, I have heard this works well for individuals who want to pursue a highly active lifestyle. Though I do believe the downside risks and recovery are much greater. I’d love to read more about this one.

Biocartilage: Again, fairly new, I have not investigated it, and has not been advocated to me by surgeons, but open to seeing what happens.


Emotions:
This is hard. Being injured, immobile, getting surgery, is hard- for anyone, no matter how active you are. For me, I spiraled into depression after my first surgery trying to come to terms with the fact that I would never play in another soccer match. Since I could walk, I played soccer. I played collegiately, after college, etc. Soccer was my life. I lost more than a sport, I lost a community, a lifestyle, and meaning. It took a lot of counseling and strength to define myself outside of soccer. I am glad I did. I rediscovered who I am, found a bike, and look forward to riding this bike around the world one day.

Being able to accept uncertainty, probability of failure, and lifestyle adjustments is hard with this surgery. A good friend likened the process to miscarriages- each time you get hopeful it will work out, and then it doesn’t. At some point, you re-evaluate the situation and maybe stop trying, or find other methods. The only thing in life you can count on is change.

It’s also hard for others to understand, which is why a community like this is so great. Sure, the big picture is you still have your health. No, you aren’t permanently handicapped in a wheelchair, or have some terminal illness. But, it is an injury, and in some shape or form- you are losing a level of mobility that might be very meaningful to you, and that is not to be underestimated.



That’s about it. I could talk in more depth about surgeons, procedures, recovery, insurance costs, feelings, whatever, and am more than happy to. This is the hardest thing I’ve had to deal with over the last several years, and I sympathize with anyone who is in the same boat. Feel free to reach out to me via PM. I applaud this entire community for having the courage to heal. Here’s to hoping for better ankles!

Offline chloebell

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Re: My story: 3 surgeries in 3 years, BMAC, DeNovo, Microfracture.
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2015, 03:52:51 PM »
Sounds like you have researched all the options really thoroughly. I too have been told oats autograft by a surgeon due to the sclerosis and bone cyst , but he only does that procedure six times per year at most. My family doc sent me to st louis to a doc that is supposed to be pretty good with ocds. She says since its not large she wants to do microfracture and tighten ligaments since my ankle is unstable and the joint is really lose. I have researched and as much as I want to do the less invasive surgery, I worry that within a few years I will need oats and at my age I hear success is less than in younger patients. I have never had a broken bone or even used crutches so this kind of surgery freaks me out. Some days aren't bad so I tell myself just live with it , but the doc says that is a bad idea. Best of luck I really hope that they fix you up right this next time.

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Re: My story: 3 surgeries in 3 years, BMAC, DeNovo, Microfracture.
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2015, 11:57:24 AM »
Emilytri

Thank you for such a thorough discussion of what you have gone through.  Good luck in your recovery.  I noticed the comment about a really good bike and riding it around the world.  It seems that for many of us we need to look for that new sense of excitement and competition. 

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Re: My story: 3 surgeries in 3 years, BMAC, DeNovo, Microfracture.
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2015, 01:07:19 PM »
Emily - thanks for sharing your experience.  reassuring to know that others go through the same experience as I have - although seems like you have had more that your "fair share" to deal with!

I think you captured it very well - a key thing to get through this is to reset expectations about what you can accomplish in life.  I used to love running, hiking, mountianeering (my injury also was a contributing factor to me retring from rugby which I played for 23 years) , etc. - and after my injury, reset my expectations, and basically resigned myself to likely not being able to do these things again.   

I picked up mountian biking instead, and have found that to be a great substitute - especially when it allows you to get into the outdoors and experience something like this (I did this ride a couple of years ago):
http://www.outsideonline.com/2004951/new-hut-trip-durango-moab-mountain-bikes
Ironic that it took my injury to prompt me to pick up something that I now love! 

My progression since surgery has gone well, and one day may get back to a broader range of activities - but at this point, I view all that as upside.

Best of luck with your ongoing recovery!!

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Re: My story: 3 surgeries in 3 years, BMAC, DeNovo, Microfracture.
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2015, 09:57:24 PM »
Wow, Emily. I just discovered this board in a moment of complete hopelessness and reading some of your comments brought tears to my eyes -- especially the way you articulated the emotions you've experienced. Even supportive friends and loved ones have difficulty, I think, fully understanding what I am experiencing.

I was initially injured in 2011 when I was 22. Was never triathlete level, but played hockey in college...snowboarding since I was very young. Loved running, and especially camping, long hikes, and adventures.

I have a complex, relatively large OCD and have had four surgeries in four years. #1 microfracture, #2 staph infection flush, right after I started walking again from the microfracture recovery, #3 De Novo Cartilage transplant, #4 tibial bone spur removal + chondroctye harvest for future procedure.

July 2015 marked two years since my De Novo and the pain has been becoming more and more unbearable. If I do any normal activity, like go out for an evening with friends, I'm pretty much immobilized the next day. The pain is a very sharp, lateral stabbing deep in my bone.

My last MRI/CT in July showed that I have three talar cysts (in addition to the tibial bone spurs that were just removed). Put together, about 1/8 of my talus is cysts. From the aggressively increasing pain over the last several months, I suspect they are getting larger. Recently, when I walk, it feels very unstable; I get the sensation that the roof of my talus is going to collapse and my tibia is going to crush through it. Kind of like the top beams in a barn roof collapsing through the ceiling. I dont think is possible, but it is a very uncomfortable senseation.

I have seen three surgeons. None of them can recommend an end-all procedure that will give me the desired outcome I want: painfree and able to move actively.

They have recommended a cartilage implant for my fifth surgery. They harvested chondrocytes from my last surgery and a company called Bio Sciences can grow a new layer of cartilage, that can then be implanted and completely replace the old, damaged piece. This is much more commonly done on knees. There's not a lot of evidence that shows it has been successful for ankles, but that could be the effect of it being a newer procedure.

My insurance company (Anthem Bluecross PPO) has denied our last five attempts to have the procedure covered (the first two were to get a bone cement injected into my cysts to fill them with a scaffolding for bone to grow back, with the addition of more cartilage from a donor). We can appeal it several more times but I am not hopeful at this point.

It's seeming like my only option is to have my ankle fused. But, at 26, it's far from ideal. The complications from a fusion, as you may know at our young age, is that the other joints start to wear out more quickly. So in 15 years, it's likely that I would need a knee replacement.

Like I said earlier, your descriptions of the emotions that develop from this experience really connected with me. I'm very lost. Most aspects of my life are falling apart around me as a result of this injury...fitness, relationships, work, identity through lifestyle activities. It's a hopeless and despairing feeling.

I'm trying to remain positive, but feeling like I have lost the first half of my twenties to this injury and with no end in sight, it's tough. Especially with the insurance denials, I'm stuck floating in this limbo with no clear path forward.

What surgeon / hospital did your De Novo? I am working with Dr. Eric Giza out of UC Davis Med Center in Sacramento, CA. I just took a leave of absence from work and flew to the east coast in desperation to get a second opinion from George Theodore out of Mass General, but it's unlikely he'll be able to see me until next month. If you're on the west coast and saw someone there who you liked, I'm definitely interested in scheduling a consult with them. I don't think they will tell me anything I haven't heard already, but at this point I grasping at any possible glimmers of hope. Second opinions either supporting or in objection to my current recommendation would both be progress for me.

 Thanks for posting here! It definitely made my day : )

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Re: My story: 3 surgeries in 3 years, BMAC, DeNovo, Microfracture.
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2015, 11:37:33 PM »
Since your close to SF go see Dr Keith Donatto or Dr Jeffrey Halbrecht. Both are in SF. Dr Halbrecht just did my surgery last week. Since I wanted to do the least evasive, I did a Micro Drilling last week. I'm hoping this will fix my problem but time will tell.

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Re: My story: 3 surgeries in 3 years, BMAC, DeNovo, Microfracture.
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2015, 03:04:50 AM »
Dr. Richard Ferkel is a pro-denovo guy, but try talking to him. He's an ankle specialist and is very well known for his work on professional athletes. He did my Denovo surgery and results have been amazing so far. Not back to normal completely in terms of pain, but I've gotten back most of my life.

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Re: My story: 3 surgeries in 3 years, BMAC, DeNovo, Microfracture.
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2016, 04:09:09 PM »
I ended up seeing Dr. Ferkel (who was great; highly, highly recommend seeing him to anyone) and he referred me to see Dr. Bugbee -- as, in his opinion, an allograft transplant was my only option. I just got an allograft transplant with Dr. Bugbee on Friday and am feeling very, very positive that this procedure is going to work!


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Re: My story: 3 surgeries in 3 years, BMAC, DeNovo, Microfracture.
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2016, 09:34:00 PM »
Hi Henry, I hope you are doing well! I hear the depression, even though I think I will be able to return to nordic skiing and hiking, and snowshoeing, as I had a small lesion, 4x5x5 and micro fracture, this inactivity is really tough. I feel like I am turning into a pillsbury dough girl! I am also having a hard time understanding why I need to be NWB for 8 full weeks… everyone else seems to do 4-6, but I am going to assume my fracture area was in a complex place… perhaps … I know it was deep, hard to get to. Let us know how you are. One thing to consider is coaching. My daughter was a D1 BBall player in college and her knees are shot, but she loves coaching, and that keeps her in the game. Best to you. Anne

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